>>3474
>anon is trying to dig into unconscious gut feelings that don’t obey the Japanese lesbian laws
Pretty much, which is why I mentioned that I was relying on general cultural memes which, right or wrong, still exist. It's half speculation, half shitpost.
>And anyway our terms don’t line up perfectly with the Japanese ones. Ours describe different lines to theirs because of our different history and cultures.
Yes, this is important. Netorare and netorase in particular are shotgun terms that carry a lot of extra stuff along with them because of the way the Japanese have developed them as genres. What we think of as cuckqueaning partly intersects with what they think of as 逆NTR, but there's plenty of both areas that don't overlap. I can think of only a few Japanese works that fully express cuckqueaning, and only some of those would be considered even partial 逆NTR.
>But even if >>3469 relies on Japanese jargon for lesbians and NTR, part of their point is still valid, which is that mapping hetero attitudes onto lesbian relationships might explain our hetero gut feelings but doesn’t tell us how they actually do things.
Also very true. I took for granted that a reader would be considering my suggestions from that angle, given the whole post makes it clear that it's talking about cuckqueaning as it is practiced. What I was considering, broadly, was "how does this label for a fetish-cluster practiced and shaded mainly by heterosexual couples respond when applied to lesbian couples, but keeps its (cuckqueaning's) own terms of reference?" Maybe lesbians who do fidelity play have their own jargon for how they do this, maybe they borrow jargon and put new shading on it, whatever; what I was trying to figure out was why the label as we understood it didn't quite seem to fit unless we opened it all the way up to its broadest definition.
>Unless we hear from some actual lesbians who do lesbian cuckolding/cuckqueaning/whatever who can tell us what their terms and dynamics are then that’s as far as we can go for now.
We've had a few lesbians stop by before, attracted here by various reasons, but I can only recall two reports of any kind of actual cuckqueaning that involved anything that could be considered lesbian and involved a man.
In the first case, the dynamic was one of the poster and her girlfriend mutually submitting to the man, who was a part-time play partner of theirs. The poster got tied up and her girlfriend got fucked, but it was clear that both were very submissive to the man for the duration of the play reported, which lasted a weekend. If I go and track down the ancient source...
>Background: I have an unconventional arrangement where I sort of get double-cucked by two people I love. I have a lovely darling girlfriend (I'm a cis bisexual female) and a lovely thoughtful dom with a terribly sadistic streak and a huge cock. The three of us get together every other weekend or so as time allows.
>I'm a cis bisexual female
>bisexual
Damnit. Never mind, not strictly a lesbian. But still, the report seemed to concern a female-female couple and a man as the third:
>Now up until recently, Sir has had a firm boundary about fucking Girlfriend in the pussy. I'm not quite sure why - intimacy reasons, perhaps, they only became involved a few months ago. Of course I've had my own desperate fantasies about it that kept me up in the night with my fingers buried to the knuckle between my legs as he well knew, but I kept my mouth shut about it because I knew he was more likely to come around if he wasn't pressured into it (also pressuring your partner is rude and you shouldn't do it!)
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>There was a closet space without a door, just a little square indention in the wall with a bar for hanging clothes, and Sir wasted no time binding my wrists to it, facing me towards the wall. He told me I was a dumb little dyke and needed to learn to do as I was told, and then asked my girlfriend what I am. She's been trained well in the last few months and promptly responded "she's a faggot fuckpig, Sir."
>I can't begin to explain how arousing it is to hear those words come out of the sweet, pouty lips of your loving girlfriend.
Ah! "Dumb little dyke": That's why I mis-remembered!
In the second case, the dynamic was one of a man and his slave, the latter being "almost exclusively sexually attracted to girls". She helped him pick up girls that she herself desired, and then got off on being denied them while simultaneously feeding his appetites.
>So there's a play between the two of using her as a wingman and then not giving her more than a taste of my haul. She can watch, she can listen, and she can taste her on me when we're done. But if she wants to touch or be touched, she has to have been a very good girl. Oftentimes she wants the vixen more than I do.
>So there's cuckqueaning, domination, exploitation, and … what is the female equivalent of blueballing? I'll go with denial for now. Denying her any benefit of her application drives home the "you're a tool to be used" subjugation, while giving me the chance to reward her if she's been good. She knows I have a high sex drive, so her facilitating my appetite is self-validating from her perspective even above getting her owner laid; which benefits me, as my appetite is being fulfilled. And even if she's being denied, she is seldom more heavily crushed than being left in bondage nearby while my vixen and I spend hours together: an appliance whose services are no longer required and whose best practice is to quietly wait to be addressed again.
>she's always so heart-meltingly grateful for everything I permit for her, and she practically worships my vixens. Which is just as well: the rule is that any vixen in my bed is to be treated as her owner for the duration of her stay, with the exception that she can't countermand my own orders.
However, I note that their dynamic seemed to be more founded on her extreme masochism:
>To give an idea of how deep this runs in her, here's a list of things she enjoys fantasizing about: being raped as long as her rapist is satisfied, being eaten as long as her predator is nourished, and being enslaved as long as she's useful (which almost universally ends in either of the former).
>She fantasizes about being eaten alive after being nearly raped to death by somebody who used to take care of her.
So, really, neither of the cases I recall were purely lesbian. Pics related. Judge their truthfulness as you all see it.
Maybe one day we'll get more data to better understand how common lesbian fidelity play dynamics map to ours. Until then, as you say, it's mostly idle theory.